12/01/20 SEALED THEIR OWN DOOM

12/01/20 SEALED THEIR OWN DOOM

Western "Christianity" has accepted and promoted spiritual darkness for so long it will never turn to Biblical truth.

God spoke to the worldly, backslidden end times Church (as depicted in the Laodicean Church of Revelation 3:14-22).

Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

DLG note... Christ (God) still calls and seeks entry to our lives, but it is more of a personal, individual call than a broad, social invitation as in the first century Church and the more recent Western churches.

The Laodicean Church will not turn from its worldly ways. It will require individuals to openly repent and confess Christ, in a wicked and hostile social and religious arena.

A, I don't know what Old Testament passage you are citing. In fact, I don't know of any passage in the Bible that indicates that the rapture is not imminent or that the return of Christ to set up His Millennial Rule cannot happen for another 300 years. Of course I understand the Scripture from a pre-Tribulational Rapture perspective and a Physical Return of Christ to set up a Literal Thousand Year Reign. Then again, I accept the literal teaching of the Bible concerning the end times, rather than a symbolic view.

I don't know when the Rapture or Return will happen, but the world is in much worse condition than it was 50 years ago, 50 days ago. God put America here to be a tool for His Church to proclaim His truth and reach the lost, but now America is constantly and continuously moving away from God and His word, further and faster than any time in our history. Basically, as Europe has gone, the UK has gone, and as the UK has gone, the USA has gone. The demise, the corruption of the west has been obvious and the message of a rotting world is clear. It will not save itself and the "Church" at the end of this period of human history will be like the Church of Laodicea in the book of Revelation.

Obviously God can do anything He wants to do, but I believe Jesus told us that we can read the signs of the times. I don't see another AMERICA on the horizon, but I do understand RED SKY IN THE MORNING and RED SKY AT NIGHT.

My belief system is in the word. I don't let the ebb and flow of human teaching and popular teachers lift or float my boat. I especially do not follow modern voices or movements because Jesus warned us that false Christ and false teachers would come in the last days. I stay in His word, not in modern ministers and ministries.

J, I am not familiar with Leanne Payne, therefore I will look into her teachings. However, I did a quick search and found that she had a theological mixture, which had connections with some good Christian teachers as well as New Age Mysticism (inner Healing movement) and Humanistic Psychology. In my quick search I did not find her Statement of Faith. This, along with the fact that God's primary plan is to use men in the teaching ministry to other men, causes me to not base my beliefs on female "ministers."

Which brings me back to my original position. We need to know the word of God, believe the word of God, teach the word of God and live the word of God. Our nation has been rejecting and attacking the word of God for so long that I don't believe it will turn to God. However, God still calls and enables people to turn and follow Him, though it is on a smaller scale.

J, I did not say she was New Age, but rather she had New Age influence in her background. I also said she had Humanistic Psychology in her background. Don't forget, all Psychology, aside from Biblical counsel, is Humanistic.
When I pointed out that I could not find her Statement of Faith, I was not referring to the Historic Confessions of the Church. I was referring to her own statement of faith. We all have a faith position. The Historic Confessions were designed to declare the Church's official Biblical concerning orthodox beliefs about the Tri-unity of God or the nature and Person of the Holy Spirit and other doctrines. But our own personal and ministry Statement of Faith is an open confession of our beliefs, which we make known to others so that they will see if we are in agreement with the word of God.

I did not say she had no Statement of Faith, but rather that I did not find one she posted. When I am considering the Biblical soundness of anyone I at least expect them to have a clear and open confession concerning basic beliefs. Statements of Faith do not declare our entire belief system, but with the wild and varied beliefs on the scene we should make our doctrines clear to others.

I do appreciate her Wheaton training and her Biblical position understanding, but I still don't know how her other training influenced her thinking and beliefs.

Being influenced by Dr. Frank Lake is not a great recommendation. I can't tell you how many people I have had to help after they came under the Regressive Therapy movement, which claimed to take people back to the birth canal, in order to experience inner healing. This neo Christian view of repentance and renewal eventually led psychologists into delivering patients through "past life regression" and "rebirthing," which included "visualization" of their birth and sometimes included a reenactment of "delivered" by counselors, through the "birth canal" (actually a pool of water). These people would regress to their birth date or earlier and remember events and experiences. These actions are totally outside of the Christian realm.

I am not saying that Payne did all of this. I am pointing out that she was close to beliefs and practices outside of the Christian realm. I always consider such influences when I look at the ministry or life of a "Christian" leader.
I am glad you were helped by things you learned. Unhappily millions of people learn "helpful" things which end up robbing them of Biblical truth.